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From Growing Up In One Of The Poorest Countries In The World to Real Estate Success: Sam Moke's Inspirational Journey
What if you could turn life's setbacks into stepping stones to financial success? Join us for an illuminating conversation with Sam Moke, as he recounts his inspiring journey from the Congo to becoming a prominent real estate investor in northeast Wisconsin. Sam's story begins with a serendipitous basketball camp trip to the US and a life-altering win in the Diversity Visa Lottery. He shares the hurdles he overcame, from mastering English in South Africa to navigating the American banking and credit systems, all while maintaining an unwavering sense of gratitude and seizing every opportunity that came his way.
Sam's path wasn't straightforward. Initially aspiring to be a physical therapy assistant, he faced educational setbacks and language barriers. Instead of giving up, he pivoted towards real estate investment, starting with a triplex in Manitowoc. We delve into the complexities of building a credit history and achieving financial literacy as a new citizen, offering practical advice on managing debt and leveraging educational resources. Sam's story underscores the critical role of continuous learning and strategic planning on the road to financial independence.
Taking risks and learning from failures is a recurring theme in our discussion. Sam shares his hands-on experience with the BRRRR strategy in real estate investing—Buy, Rehab, Rent, Refinance, Repeat. From overcoming fear to expanding his portfolio to five properties and 11 units, with another one under contract, Sam exemplifies resilience and proactive learning. We wrap up by emphasizing the importance of community and support networks, inviting our listeners to connect with fellow Wisconsin investors for shared growth and success. Tune in to learn from Sam's remarkable journey and gain valuable insights into real estate investment strategies.
hey everybody, welcome back to another episode. I'm super pumped today. I got my good buddy, mr sam moke, on here with me today and, uh, his story is incredible. Guys, I'm excited to to have him on. Sam, how you doing today, man?
Sam Moke:I'm doing wonderful. How are you?
Corey Reyment:I'm great, dude, I'm great. I'm looking forward to this conversation. So, uh, sam, let's dive right into it. Man, uh, we'll get. We'll get past the flop. You and I were talking at um, one of the networking events that we were both attending, and you know you and I we've met, but we had met before and talked, and I think you've done a couple of deals with our company before that kind of thing. But you know, I didn't really get a chance to get to know your story until that night and listening to your story, man, I was super inspired and I was like man, I got to get you as a guest on this podcast, Cause I think what you, what you can share for people, hopefully, will provide a lot of excitement for people, a lot of motivation, hopefully, for people and a lot of hope. So give everybody a little bit of your background, man, and you know, start from wherever you want to take that at, but, yeah, wherever you want to start that story. How did you get to this point today? Investing in real estate in northeast Wisconsin.
Sam Moke:Well, basically, I was born in the Congo. So, for those who doesn't know where the Congo is, the Congo is in Africa, so central of Africa, so that's where I was born. My journey to the US was, you know. I basically came in the US in 2012 for the first time, and so I was selected for a basketball camp. At the time. We spent about 12 days in DC and after that we went back to the Congo and then I play a lottery. There's what we call DV lottery, that diversity lottery that I won after coming back to the Congo. That allows you to come in to the US legally, you know, and receive a green card and other stuff. So basically, during that time, they give you about a year to get ready so you can gather everything. So I gather all the things.
Sam Moke:During the year, I went to South Africa. So I lived in South Africa for 12, for actually 10 months. That's where I learned English, and the funny thing is, in South Africa, they speak English and their own language. Some of them will speak Zulu, or they speak Kosa, the KKK language. Right, okay, right, okay. And so I lived there for 10 months, learned English, moved to Texas for my two years, so I lived in Texas for two years and then I end up moving in Wisconsin where I went to school as a physical therapy assistant. But there is a lot of journey. When I got here because I had to learn the system, realize that my English was not the American English, so there was a lot of challenge that came there as I was getting to learn. What is the system look like, what is credit like, what is investing look like.
Corey Reyment:Yeah, so you're um, what would I say? Like your, your speed up or your your time to get up to speed was a lot more compressed than somebody who's born here, is from here, culture, language, all that other stuff, like you had to learn all of that and then get into the real estate thing, right, right, and I think usually I think foreigners like us we have kind of an advantage which is also a disadvantage.
Sam Moke:I think the advantage is we are born from a poor country. Congo is the fourth poorest country on earth.
Corey Reyment:Oh wow.
Sam Moke:So the urge to success is different because we're like you got to make it for your uncle. You're not making it for yourself, you got to make it for your mom, your dad, your uncle and people that are back there, Because once in a while they will text you to say, hey, you're in America, You're going to send me something. So the pressure and the urge to be successful is in a different level, but also the level of appreciation in a different level. But also the level of appreciation. Right, you know, sometimes you grow up in the US, you're used to this so much that you don't see the opportunity. So somebody like me, when I come in, all I'm seeing is opportunities. Because there is that, because from where I came from, I'm like well, you know, I'm grateful for this country. I'm grateful for wisconsin, for the low cost and everything like else yeah, wow, that's.
Corey Reyment:That's such crazy perspective, man. Like as you were talking, I'm sitting there going oh man, that's like convicting to me. Like, yeah, I do take a lot of stuff for granted. Like, oh, my goodness, I can't imagine what it would be like to come from the fourth poorest country on the planet. And then you know what is that? What is the lifestyle difference? I mean, I got to imagine, like, like I have a picture of what Congo is like in my brain, right, what was it like?
Sam Moke:What were?
Corey Reyment:the biggest I mean biggest changes you saw when you see opportunity everywhere and you see all these other things Like what, what does that look like?
Sam Moke:It's basically once, once, once you come here, you have that culture shock right away, right you? You have uh, you know beside a language, right? So in the congo they speak french and in gala, and they've a lot of dialect, you know. So myself I speak about three languages. Usually I tell people four, because the last one is facts. But yeah, so you have to learn the culture Basically.
Sam Moke:In Congo, these people have this saying that they say once you move to a new country or a new place, you find people dancing with one leg. You have to learn how to dance with one leg. So to me it's the shift of how, you know, bank works in the congo. People use cash for all things. You know how is it going to be by cash, you know, and there's not a lot of opportunity to have jobs. So I'm always telling myself I'm like if I was still in the congo, I'll be probably living by my parents asking where's my food at, because I probably don't have a job, because life is very, very difficult and most people will say I make only $29,000.
Sam Moke:In Congo you're rich, baby, you get a lot of money because the lifestyle is so low, you know, you don't need a lot of money like that. So once I moved here funny story I was in Texas, I used to make my first job. I was making $8 an hour. I was like, oh my God, I'm making a lot of money, $8 an hour, you know. And then, after about like three months, then I was like, oh no, I can't make it anymore, because I realized that, oh, this is not a lot of money. Oh, I'm struggling. I was struggling financially.
Sam Moke:And another thing is you know, once you grow up in the poor setting, you know, like in the poor country, you will find out that, uh, you know, the money problems are one of the biggest problems because people are not taught how to manage money. You know, and I realized one thing is that poverty is not lack of activity but of creativity. Right, you're not poor because you're not working hard, right, because usually poor people works very hard. Right, when you look at people you'd be like, oh wow, this guy is working very hard. But the creative people are the one who create wealth or perhaps create value. The reason why we go, for example, to Walmart is not because we know the Walton family. It's because they provide value that we think, okay, I can give my money to receive the value that they offer. So that's the mind shift that you have to start shifting like, okay, what is the value I can offer so that people can see that I'm valuable? And then capital follows value.
Corey Reyment:Yeah, wow, that's such a great point. I mean, yeah, I've done missions trips in some of some pretty poor countries and you know, number one. First of all, there's something to be said about not having a lot of material things that I noticed like they're super happy a lot of times, however, I do notice like they're typically the hardest working people. You know, we did a, we did a house build in Ensenada, mexico, a few years ago and there was a single mom with like a two-year-old that was living in like an outhouse. You know, for us we're like, oh my good. You know, it's like total culture shock, like I can't believe anybody would live like this. This is crazy. And she's working like seven days a week, 12 hour shifts, you know, and just trying to provide for her kid, and she that's what she gets for her seven, seven for her kid, and she that's what she gets for her seven, 70.
Sam Moke:And I'm like this chick works way harder than I do.
Corey Reyment:Typically, the wealthy people here are the laziest right You're like how do I? Work the least amount and make the most amount of money. And it's just having that it's about having that question, and then it comes back to the value exchange, right Like what you're talking about. I think, though, that piece that you mentioned a few minutes ago, that's going to be one of our little nuggets there, cause that was so good, one of our little sound clips we'll probably take out of this, because that was such a good little point there.
Sam Moke:So talk to me how did you then?
Corey Reyment:okay, so how do you? You transition here, You're in Texas, you culture shock, you're making eight bucks an hour. How do you go from that to then real estate today? How do we bridge that? Good question.
Sam Moke:Yeah. So, basically, once I was in texas, uh, uh, I had to move here. Basically, I don't really not to talk about this story because it's like it's bumping me. However, my my brother had some financial issue. That basically, my my brother was an international student, okay, and if you are an international student, you're paying three times what we're paying, so, like a bill of 500, an international student is paying about 1500, you know. And so as he was going to school in wisconsin, I was in texas.
Sam Moke:It happens that my parents was in some financial difficulty and I was in a position where I had to basically be the bigger guy, right, so I had to pay his rent, my rent, his school, my school, and it put me in the position where it was not sustainable. So I had to either have my brother move to Texas or I was supposed to be moving to Wisconsin. So then I moved to Wisconsin. I realized that once the life cost was very minimal, right, so how much you have to rent and all of those other stuff was not a lot of money, you know, versus living in Texas. So that was appealing. So, as I moved in Texas, I ended up meeting my friends, you know, because I was playing basketball, I met one of my teammates, which is my wife right now, you know. So we start dating. As we were dating, my wife was the type of lady that walks around with books, okay, and she told me, sam, you know what I noticed? You don't read, you know, I'm like I don't want to read english, you know, and so, but I took it to heart, though one one a good friend, give you an advice, you take it to consideration. So I was like, because I don't like to read, I was working at fedex at a time I used to call it fedex university, right, because I'll listen to books, audiobooks. That's how my journey started. Okay, I started listening to audiobooks. You, you know Richard Epwood Bird and you know I was listening to those books, and that's when I decided that maybe I should start investing in rental property.
Sam Moke:So the first thing that happened to me a lot of unfortunate things. One of the things was I was going to school for physical therapy assistant, okay, and the school was so hard at the time for me because I had to deal with language. You know, because even for people who speak English they have to deal with, you know English terminology. That's like a whole different language and you know medical terms. The medical terms are no joke, yes, yes. So, as I was going to school, I failed one of the classes. So I failed one of the classes in my school at the time, nwtc. I had to start over Because it's a group. We're going with the program, so I had three classes. You fail one one, you gotta wait for a whole year oh my goodness so that's what happened.
Sam Moke:So when I failed one of the classes, I had to wait for a whole year. So I told myself what are you gonna do? Because you're gonna be working probably then you're not gonna have anything to show up for when your friends graduate. Yeah, so my decision was like I'm gonna buy myself a duplex, nice. So that's when the this, uh, my my journey started. I remember I saved 20, uh, I think 20, 21 000 and then I started looking for a duplex. I'm like I'm gonna buy my first duplex, I'm gonna live on one side, I'm gonna basically house hacking yeah so I started looking for a house and I found a house in Manitowoc.
Sam Moke:So my first house was in Manitowoc, on Marshall Street. So I went there. I saw a nice duplex, a big one, and I was like I did an inspection. After the inspection the inspector came back way bad. Like the house was good, but what the inspector came back I was like, oh, I can't take it. But it's so beautiful. Like, oh god, I don't think I'm gonna get anything like this and I continue to look for with the realtor that I was working at the time I found another triplex at the same streets, like two blocks away from that house. So I ended up buying a triplex for 10 at a time. It was like $93,000. Wow.
Corey Reyment:How long ago was this?
Sam Moke:This was 2019.
Corey Reyment:Oh yeah, so you got some equity, is what you're saying right, oh, yes, yes. Beautiful, wow, okay, cool. So then you lived in the triplex.
Sam Moke:Well, I didn't. Beautiful, wow, Okay, cool. So then you lived in the triplex. Well, I didn't. The intent was to live in it. But I realized one thing I was living in the apartment at the time. My rent in the triplex was more than what I was paying in the apartment, so I ended up staying in the apartment. Plus, he was in money to work. I was going to school in Green Bay. So I was like, well, I was just I would live in an apartment. I would still rent that one.
Corey Reyment:That makes sense. You were keeping a little spread there on what you could rent it out for versus what you were paying. I like that Correct. What did you do for financing on that Sam? And how does that work if you're somebody from a different country? Is there something for those of our listeners out there who maybe are in a similar situation, who weren't naturally born here? What do they need to know about the banking system and about credit and all that kind of stuff if you're a new citizen?
Sam Moke:Well, so there's what we call. There's green card holders. Green card holder will be legal people that can be, you know they're just like any American citizen. They have that green card allows them to borrow to work because you know they are legally, you know, in the US. So one of the things that usually people don't understand will be credit. They don't understand credit because most of those african countries don't really have the uh opportunity of using credit, and so one of the thing that I had to learn was what was credit? You know, how does that work? What is debt? You're right. How does that work out? What is the difference between good debt and bad debt? So you're at rich, dad, poor dad.
Corey Reyment:I was gonna say, there's a rich dad, poor dad, right there.
Sam Moke:Yeah, yes so that those are the things that they they will have to learn. They will have to learn what is the DTI, right? What's the day-to-income ratio? You know things like that was brand new to me thanks to the books, right? The more you learn, the more you earn, right, you know. So, the more I was reading, the more I was learning the things, because you know readers are leaders, right.
Sam Moke:So if you come from a different country, you come to the US, you are legally, you know you have all your paperwork. You want to learn how credit works. Basically, you start with the perfect credit. So they start yeah, they give you a benefit of it. That was basically. You start with the perfect credit. However, that credit doesn't have any credit to utilization because you haven't used it. So then you apply for your first credit card to usually maybe a secure credit card or unsecured credit card, because they want to see how trustworthy you are. Okay, and from then you can start building out the real credit, because if you just have a perfect credit with no credit history, the bank's still seeing that you're high risk okay, that's really good.
Corey Reyment:That's similar to like what we teach, you know, younger kids who are thinking like man, I want to do something cool when I'm older. You know, talk about financial literacy. Uh, one of the things be responsible with a credit card and just pay it off every month, but just get it going and then and then you can start to build some credits. So very similar. Pardon my ignorance here, sam. So the green card do you always have a green card then? Or it's something like what, what is it?
Sam Moke:Yeah, so basically the the green card is it's it's a residency, so it's a card of residency. It gives you your permanent residence. When you are a permanent resident, that card is the green card of your permanent residency. Some will have a work permit. So, like, if you are a refugee, you're not going to have a green card yet because you have to apply for a salium. Once you apply for the salium, you apply for the work permit as you're waiting for your judgment, so they can give you a permanent residence.
Corey Reyment:Okay so got it.
Sam Moke:But there's other things, that there's other loophole that you can do, basically like, if you're married to an american citizen, you know, then you can have a temper, temporary citizenship, which will I mean a residency which will give you a green card, and that will be usually like three years or two years, and then you have to renew it.
Corey Reyment:Okay, so that's where the mail order brides come in. Yeah, they want to get here and get that residency.
Sam Moke:Yeah, everybody, because that's one of the best ways to do it, but the DV lottery will be the second best way, because after you receive that green card, you wait. After five years you can apply for citizenship.
Corey Reyment:Okay. So that's what I was wondering If you always have a green card, if at some point you go through some process where yeah, In my case I did because I played the lottery.
Sam Moke:In other cases people will go to a longer process because they do a salium. They wait for the judgment. That judgment can take seven years in some cases. Yeah, it's pretty rough.
Corey Reyment:Wow, and I'm grateful I was born here. Like it sounds like that's quite a process. You had to literally win the lottery.
Sam Moke:It sounds like to guess I mean in the world.
Corey Reyment:I didn't even know, there was a lottery to get here.
Sam Moke:Yes.
Corey Reyment:That's so crazy Is that in every country? Do you know they do this outside?
Sam Moke:Yes, that's so crazy. Is that in every country? Do you know they do this outside? Yes, so basically, it's not in every country, it's selective countries. So there's countries that are banned, like Mexico. I think Jamaica would be banned. They already have a flood of those populations, so it's a diversity lottery, right. So in each country they have a number that they will legally bring people to just make the US more diverse.
Corey Reyment:Oh my goodness, that's insane. I'm learning so much today. This is crazy. Wow, ok, awesome. So then you're here, you're now a citizen, you've done this deal. How did you finance that first deal? Tell us about the loan structure. Was that a 20 percent down type situation?
Sam Moke:Yes, so, basically that first one and I like that question because I had a vision, right. The vision determined how I was going to proceed on my financing, okay. But also there is the knowledge gap, right, I made a decision according to what I knew at the time. If you ask me now, it will probably give you a different answer. Of course, and hopefully five years from now, my answer will change as I learn more, right, because I'm continuously learning. So I did what I call the traditional way the traditional way, but with a higher down payment, because my goal was cashflow, okay. So I figured out that the higher my down payment was, the higher my cash flow will be. So I did a 20% down on that first deal. Okay, got it Cool.
Corey Reyment:Now, since that point, you bought it in 2019. At any point, are you utilizing the birth strategy in anything you're doing going forward, or did you go back and refinance to pull some of that equity out and then recycle that money? Tell me a little bit about that.
Sam Moke:Yes, so basically so, after I just recently did it this year, so after that cycle the property, I basically did a cash out refi and then I took the money out of it and then I bought two duplexes out of it. It's still in my network. Love it.
Corey Reyment:I love it. It is still in my network, love it.
Sam Moke:I love it, that is monopoly at its finest. Correct. So, as I was learning more, I was like, okay, I don't have to wait for the 20% down, because my plan was every two, three years I'll buy one property. Okay, and then, even though, funny thing is, I knew you at a time, okay, I went to one of your first, maybe second, third, but once you were doing the showing yourself.
Corey Reyment:Okay, yeah, yeah.
Sam Moke:So I went there with my wife. We went. There was a lot of people. They walk in the property, some with their contractor, you know, and everything. But I still didn't grasp the fact. You know how we were doing things, you know like coming with a wholesaler. What was that about? But I was still curious because I was continuously learning and I figured out. There's things that you learn that you don't grasp until you know many, many months later my case is years.
Corey Reyment:Yeah Well, what I love about what you're saying here, sam the point I hope our listeners are taking away is like you're just taking action, dude, like you're learning action, learning, action.
Corey Reyment:Okay, let's reevaluate. How did we do that first one? Okay, well, we do another one. We're going to do it the same way. We're going to get a little bit more creative. Like you were talking about before, how can we create more value for ourselves and our business? All right, we're going to do it differently, you know, going forward. So that, that, to me, is awesome. I see so many people sit on the sidelines because they want to learn, learn, learn, learn, learn, and they never take the action. And that, really where the real learning comes in, is getting, I mean, get enough knowledge. So you're, you're, you know competent somewhat in what you're doing, but I don't think you can, in real estate especially, I don't think you can learn your way to success without taking action.
Corey Reyment:You gotta that's true, you gotta you gotta make some moves and then start building some chess pieces to play with a little bit, and then you can learn from those transactions and those types of things.
Sam Moke:And I just want to tell the the I'm sorry, no, go ahead. Yeah, one, one thing that people will face is the. You know it, it's going to be the fear of failure, right? I read the book by John Maxwell where I, falling forward, I figured out that because of the way we grow up, you know the school system, you growing up, they don't want you to fail. You know you got to get good grades, you don't have to to fail. So it becomes harder once you get in life where there's plenty of failures, right, there's plenty of falling and getting up, falling and getting up, and the mind shifts toward that. And in my case, I think I had the advantage because I was failing so much already in other things in english, I was falling in school I was falling so that built my resiliency and my character so right.
Sam Moke:I knew I could. You know, if it's for the enemy to get you down, it's for you to get up, right. So every time I will fail, I will get up, because I knew that I went to a circle of falling and getting up. You know so. And most people won't take a decision because they're telling themselves, oh, maybe I'm going to fall, maybe it's not going to work, you know, and things like that.
Corey Reyment:Yeah, Paralysis analysis is another one. But I think where that stems from is the fear of failure, Like okay, unless I know for certain it's going to work out.
Sam Moke:to be exactly the way that I did it.
Corey Reyment:I can't go forward, cause if it doesn't work out that way, then I fail. Then exactly the way that I did it. I can't go forward, cause if it doesn't work out that way, then I fail. Then what does that say about me? And then I'm not. You know, it goes back to some childhood stuff maybe of, like you know, I'm not good enough, I'm not worthy enough. Well, we tell ourselves all this stupid stuff. But, man, what you're saying is so good. I think any successful person that I at least, that I deem successful. If you ask those people, how did you become successful? Typically it's through some failure that they're like well, I started this thing and it didn't work out. And what I learned?
Corey Reyment:was blah, blah, blah. So then I applied it this time. It's like they got back up, like you said, and they went and did it again, so that's so awesome. What is the real estate portfolio look like for you today, sam?
Sam Moke:So basically we are. So basically we're growing. Right now we own about five no, we own five property and then we have one under contract. All of we have about 11 units right now, so duplexes and triplexes.
Sam Moke:And the funny thing is I start implementing the bird strategy as of maybe, I would say, four months ago, and once I did it, I had two property under contract right away and I told myself, oh my God, I was going to be waiting Because, remember, the goal was every two years. So, up to my fourth property, I was still buying it the traditional way, I was still doing that. That's why I even say I refinanced just this year. So basically, the big shift is now because I'm realizing that the problem was not the lack of money but the lack of knowledge. Right, Because most people say, okay, you need money to make money, not really, you need knowledge. Right, plus the implementation of that knowledge that will make you more profitable. So, yes, so we are in 11 units right now. So we're planning on growing. So once next year I'm probably going to end up having at least two or three again and start rolling with the bird strategy, you know, with my best wholesaler in this.
Corey Reyment:Yeah, let's go baby. What is the big goal for you? So you know you best wholesaler in this. Yeah, let's go baby. What is the big goal for you? So you know you got into real estate right. You know you read a lot of books like, hey, I should do this. This seems like a good thing to do. What is the big why behind real estate investing for you?
Sam Moke:question? Yeah, for me is once. It's freedom, right, the freedom that comes. Many people think people who do real estate they just want the money. Money is just a tool. We're not really looking for the money. They're printing it anyways, right. But it's the freedom that comes with it. And, in my cases, I know that this can provide a freedom for me to retire my parents, and so, as I'm going at it, I'm thinking about my parents, because my dad is in the 70s, you know, and my mom is in the 60s and, by God's grace, they are right now in Texas. You know where they're in Texas, in the United States. However, they're still working and I don't like it, you know, I don't like it. So, as I'm working, I'm just if I can get enough property so I can provide for them. As you know, traditionally in our countries, we believe that we are called to take care of our elderlies.
Corey Reyment:Okay, okay, very cool. Wow, that's such a good deep why. I mean, that doesn't keep you going, I don't know what will. So I think, for you guys as an audience, take that as a good nugget. You know, that's something when I'm coaching people in real estate. That's the first thing I want to know why are you doing this? Because it's not going to be easy, right. If it was easy, everybody would do it and then we wouldn't have, we wouldn't be able to make any money. So it's good that it's hard, right.
Corey Reyment:But having a deep, why like that? I mean, when times are tough, you and you're really serious about it, like that's what's going to keep you going. And I love what you're saying about your culture, man, because honestly, that is such a good point you mentioned earlier that that's going to automatically make you more successful than 95% of you know naturally born citizens here, because we take so much for granted and we're so selfish. In a lot of ways it's like, well, I want to do this because I want blah, blah, blah for me, I want a Lamborghini, whatever material object, and you're like, man, I got, I got these guys back in Congo that are living, you know, in terrible conditions that I want to raise them up and give them opportunity. I mean, that's such a deeper purpose and a much better driver than what I, what I have going on in a lot of cases sometimes you know, or other people I talk to, so that is awesome.
Corey Reyment:All right, sam, we're going to wrap this up. I know you got a busy schedule. I don't want to keep you all day. What is? We're going to have a little fun here. What is one of your favorite places to visit in Wisconsin, or maybe a Wisconsin tradition that you've learned since you've been here that you now love and embrace? Could be, since you've been here, that you now love and embrace. What would be a favorite place you like to go to anywhere?
Sam Moke:Favorite place would be Door County.
Corey Reyment:Door County.
Sam Moke:Yeah, okay. And also the Washington Island. All right, good time with family. You know I enjoy every time we go there. A tradition, it's I, I enjoy every time we we go there uh, a tradition. I will say I, I.
Sam Moke:I've suddenly become a parker. You know, fan, basically, okay, I think my love for the parker is not there yet at the level because some people will tattoo parker in the body. I'm not there yet. However, I don't think I'll get there, okay, but yes, I find myself to be in love with you know, the, you know the culture. It's true that I have my challenges, as you know, because I did uber driving as well, but you know, I, I love the opportunity, I like the fact that people really support the team. You know, I was telling my wife I think the Parker was playing the last time. I think they play in Brazil or something like that, you know, and then we were talking about are they going to win or lose? And then I said to my wife I'm like, regardless whether the lose or win, we're still going to support them, you know that's the mindset is like we love you in the good and the bad.
Corey Reyment:We'll complain about you if you're doing bad, but we'll still love you, we'll still watch. Yeah, yeah, well, awesome, sam, I appreciate you. Uh, hopping on, man. If anybody wants to connect with you in any way, what's the best way for them to get a hold of you? Is it through a social? Do you have a social media you want to provide, or an email, or anything like that?
Sam Moke:yeah, I basically uh, I have an instagram and uh, and I have an email. My email will be uh. Real estate investor, pta. Uh at gmailcom. Ypta. Physical therapy assistant. Basically, I'm. Most of the people who are in the medical field want to stay in the medical field, and sometimes I want to teach people that you can be in the medical field and have your hands on something that can potentially help you retire as well. That's awesome, man.
Corey Reyment:And give you the freedom, like you said, giving you options. So if at some point something changes in your profession or you just want to make a shift, you're not stuck anymore because you built up the real estate stuff. So I love it, man. Well, sam, this has been an awesome episode. Dude, if you guys out there listening want to connect with me or anybody on our team in any way, best way to do that is go to our website, wisconsindiscountpropertiescom, put your information in on the contact us page and somebody from our team will reach out and we'd love to have a conversation with you. If you're wanting to get started in investing in Wisconsin or you already do and you just have some questions, anything that we can help you with, let us have that opportunity to have that conversation with you and we'd love to be a part of your journey. So this has been another episode of the Wisconsin Investor Podcast. Thanks for tuning in and we'll see you on the next show.
